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Its getting cloudy, but not falling. How can I look at the bright sky of tommorow without having a weather forecast? Great comment on XOJO. It is a great tool, but it’s not a panacea. We have invested a huge amount of time in XOJO and for distributable applications, it’s great, but there are limitations Right now the biggest problem is the class structure. They advertise that you can build web, IOS, and desktop applications – which is true.

But the classes are not cross platform so there are desktop classes that don’t work on the web and IOS has it’s own set of classes. So forget about creating an application that runs on web, iOS, and desktop If you just want to build for the desktop and the Mac App Store, no problem. Just web, no problem but lots of coding. Just iOS, not a problem. Any combination of those and you’ve got major issues.

It is true that Desktop, Web, and iOS have different controls. But you can share the business logic amongst them. It’s not an easy decision, but is is an option that I’m running with. Believe and you’ll see, someone said a long time ago Well, I am not that religious and I go with my former history teacher, who told us in school: “Here you have to know things, not to believe something.

And regarding my business I very much prefer knowing over believing and just hoping for the best. This brings me back to the idea of a roadmap. If FMI would not only announce what they skip, delete or no longer support, but what they perhaps plan as an alternative, I could sleep much better.

With their information about what is deprecated they already have some kind of roadmap, but only a negative one. They only tell us, what will fade away in the future. Actually, it’s more like that’s all you hear. There are and have been many things said that are encouraging. Belief is not blind. I’m not sure where you get that idea. Blind belief is not what we are talking about.

If you were FMI would publish a roadmap and tell all your competitors what you were planning next? As CEO put your job on the line and justify it to your shareholders? Would you do that now with you own business and face all the criticism from disappointed users when you change your mind or can’t make it work?

How many software companies, as opposed to open source collaborations can you name that publish their internal road maps? Hope is a bad strategy. That’s not how the world works. You are in control, if you relinquish that control and hope that you will not get disappointed, you always will be disappointed. Perhaps use your own experience as a developer over many years to work that out? There are plenty of hints from people who work closely with FMI on this list for you to take an educated guess like the rest of us.

You will also find that, unsurprisingly, FMI staff tend to communicate more closely and more frequently with folk with whom they have a positive experience, they are human after all. If it’s not possible for developers to sell runtime solutions to their clients they are going to look to other DB platforms which is going to impact on FM sales overall. As others have pointed out, people are going to be reluctant to shell out hundreds of dollars for FM Pro to run a single DB solution.

I’ve a client running FileMaker Pro 6 under Windows Is FileMaker working for Apple or for Microsoft? That’s a non-sensical remark. FMI is not saying that it won’t work, just that it is not supported so you are on your own. The same applies to your client running FM6 on Windows 7. That’s just sheer luck. Anyway, about posts within 1 day let them know about our concerns!

I’m sorry but this just irks me to no end. A lot of us spend time every day of every year helping people through their learning curve and building a sense of community. In this one sentence you’ve make a number of snide judgement calls. We should be here because we care enough about the FM platform to contribute.

Your premise pigeon-holes me and I don’t care for that. You don’t know me. You have your dislikes and I have mine. Don’t assume that the good people that are here to build that sense of community are only about drinking the Kool-Aid. Looking forward to seeing your posts helping other people out. While I am not directly impacted by the potential run-time deprecation fiasco, even I sometimes use run-times purely for convenience i.

Base Elements run-time. I also think “always connected” simply might not work for every situation, some potential customer probably has crappy internet or cell coverage. However, let’s propose a solution to the problem – and with enough community support maybe Filemaker will pursue.

I see five options, would any be suitable replacements for those of you that use run-time alot? It was hard to choose between Apple, Android, Java or any other type of developer. Java the Hutt also was an option. Commercially speaking FileMaker became just not viable. Nobody is saying that FMI is making money from runtimes. I’m not privy to their master plan. I can only assume that they are not seeing what you are seeing. So convince them. Show then your numbers. What about it became not viable?

With the exception of some FM Go style issues. I too am shocked but not a little surprised. There has to be a better model. But I’ve hung my developer’s hat on the runtime model and this issue will now preoccupy me for sometime to come. Several things immediately come to mind. I would never expect for FileMaker to fully reveal their hand but even a motherhood type statement such as Frustration : For the longest time FileMaker has been creeping towards creating a truly wonderful tool for developers to create App like products that can be deployed like no other.

Over 20 years of development it has been always been just over the horizon for me and with FileMaker 13 the holy grail seemed in reach.

This announcement makes it feels as if it has been snatched from our grasp. Undiminished Gratitude. FileMaker has given me a second career and a wonderful ride.

I have faith in the product and the people behind it and I will go down fighting to keep my solutions viable with FileMaker and feel sure this conversation is not yet over. Coincidently signed up as a business member today so am in the process considering my next move.

The beauty of pointing a user to a link and having the product on their Desktop as a usable solution has always been a great selling point but I have yet to hit on the right business model so maybe this will push me to consider the options available. A secret is powerful when it is empty.

Couldn’t agree more. I just spent 2 years developing and selling a Runtime application to health care professionals. The only reason I keep upgrading my FileMaker Pro Advanced is because of continued development of my runtime solution. I would not spend hundreds of dollars getting each new version other wise. So how is FMI not making money from Runtime???? This would have several plus points for all the customers and developers – and therefor lead to better sales for FM:.

So, hey FMI, simple question? But even with SBA every former runtime product gets round about Euros more expensive – a nogo for many single user solutions – and people have to install twice FM and the solution instead of once the runtime.

And in many cases the Euro surcharge is of no benefit for the customer if he gets a closed solution. Plus from my personal standpoint of marketing I very much prefer people installing and starting from the dock something like “INtex tralala” instead of using FileMaker and then opening an “INtex tralala file”. With this tool fileMaker developers around the world make their FileMaker solutions more quickly and with less bugs. The tool relies solely on multiple people providing their services – free of charge :.

Because we believe that the FileMaker community benefits as a whole from these services. FMI – please reconsider the value of keeping runtime functionality! I think replies to this post in just a few days says a lot and I do agree with the general cohort that this is a bad move by FMI. Thankfully I have not used Runtime in all but one of my customer solutions so I personally have no issue. I do of course hold sympathy to all those who are affected.

In a way though I do “see” FMI’s roadmap ahead. Just looking at FM14 the major changes were developer oriented to make faster development, further streamlined design and a much faster WebDirect. I will stand on the last part.

WebDirect is the future orientation of FMI. It is truly remarkable how WebDirect has unfolded but in my heart it still a Beta-version and I try to avoid it as much as possible.

I love paperless but sometimes its just plain necessary to print. This is just one of many issues of course. Runtime’s are an excellent solution for a disconnected app but FMI’s approach is one of a connected environment also indicated with peer-to-peer sharing in FM13, launch of WebDirect and the change in licensing.

Don’t know if many noticed but FMI has changed the wording from “Database” to “Solution” thus shifting the company more towards the rapid app development world rather than just a database management software.

This of course was obvious years back now. I sincerely hope that Runtime stays for at least up to FM16 but it certainly has an expiry date. Wow – this is a hot topic! In this instance FileMaker is telling you approximately 18 months in advance. They are providing ample notice that things are changing. Bear in mind that they’re owned by Apple, which is pretty keen on secrecy. They’re not a developer tools company, so they won’t provide a roadmap like a firm that is strictly a developer tools firm.

Given the pace of change in the space they’re in I’d expect and hope that their plans are pretty fluid. There’s a lot of change going on in the business environment around them and they need some latitude to respond.

If this is going to pose a major problem for your business, then this is the wrong forum to solve it. If your business is predicated on what FileMaker does or doesn’t do then you need to have a close relationship with them. They’re much more open than they used to be in the past. You need to speak to the FileMaker people in your country. In Germany sorry guessing here they’re pretty approachable from my experience. They were at DotFMP which you should attend this June in Berlin a couple of years ago and more than open to chat, buy beers, have beers bought for them, and just generally be nice guys.

Building a relationship with FileMaker doesn’t happen overnight. Around 15 years ago I was pretty negative and vocal about many of the things they were doing. It seemed like communications were going into a black hole, so i know what you’re experiencing. It took some work on my part and reframing how the relationship worked.

However you need to take some steps to build a positive constructive relationship with FMI. They are open to it, but it’s going to take some work and some time. Getting in touch with them and getting to know them as people is a first step. They’d rather have you inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in. But bear in mind you’re dealing with a small team of people and if you’re yelling at them they probably won’t listen. If you build a business case with solid numbers they’ll be more receptive.

To do otherwise is missing one of the key strategic underpinnings of running a business – ensuring your relationship with partners and suppliers. Obviously it will happen and i prefer waiting more time and get a comforting answer that have just a rapid “acknowledgement of delivery”.

Discussion is already two days old So “it is still almost night in the US” is no argument at all now. Or perhaps: “Oh, we are astonished that this announcement produces such a wave – we have to think about it again – wait for a reaction to come soon. Say what you want, but i do think this temporarily silence is more a proof that this subject is seriously taken, and thus a reflection time is necessary. Also FMI is not a grocery with 2 employees.

All take more time. And, yes, i am definitely an optimist and positive person. It’s a relatively minor point, but I would miss not having BaseElements running as a runtime when I’m developing. I use it most of the time, in a separate window or desktop.

I know it doesn’t have to be used as a runtime but it’s always seemed to me the best way to use it. I imagine many developers will feel the same – or perhaps they use it differently. I find many of your arguments a bit strange or not in accordance with the actual situation. And how should FileMaker be able to react within 1 or 2 days. They are usually very observant and following all important discussions.

No problem on a Mac, but I don’t think you can do this on Windows. Why not? They have had their time thinking before calling the runtime deprecated I guess. We live in fast, busy, modern times and two days with no reaction at all is already long in my eyes Stop the complaining and noise. Write a letter to FMI and present your challenges and concerns in a respectful manner, which I actually suggested very early in this thread.

If you do not have anything constructive to contribute with, then stay off. This should be a place for asking questions, getting answers and maybe suggesting new things.

With public pressure I guess they earlier see a need to react. They have “chimed in” for smaller reasons. To be honest, I really appreciated your early recommandation to write a letter.

Thank you! I would also say the a grouped letter would be more efficient. About “noise”, i, and some of us here, think differently.

Sometimes noise is necessary. And i think it is written in european D. A in some ways. One can easily unsubscribe if one don’t want to hear it anymore. And just a curiosity : are you using Runtime feature or not? I think this topic is showing that our community is broken in two “equal” parts : whose are building runtime solution and others. Some of the latters applause FMI decision and probable deletion of its “second class” application.

First are shocked. I’m sure several have been presented here. Sorry Beverly, but i didn’t see any that meet my needs. The developer’s freedom to create Desktop standalone apps cannot be replaced by FM Go nor Webdirect, where even the preview mode is missing. I really try to be positive here but, trust me or not, it is a real chalenge! If some here are offended by talking about facts, I excuse myself.

But reality stays reality. Only one guy had a distortion field, FMI has not. I know what ranting customers are – had one just this morning on the telephone.

But he was really ranting, claiming that some information was missing on our website. He can read, he is not dumb and we are tricky cheaters. That is ranting for real – nothing I do. I am sure for many developers, the alternatives, at least those we are so far aware of, are not satisfactory. A particular issue which I don’t think has been mentioned so far is the fact that plugins cannot be included in Go or WebDirect at least not in this context.

I expect for many solutions, excluding plugins would represent a serious ‘downgrade’ as far as the end-users are concerned. OK, so the alternatives don’t work for you. It sounds like ‘runtime’ and only ‘runtime’ will work. Looks like “yes”, unless we can really discuss another bright new future.

I would suggest the people who are most affected to create a petition to be forwarded to FMI with the outcome. C Keept Runtime for at least 2 more versions until the rest of the technology catches up. Post your link here and the interested parties can cast their vote and send the results to FMI. A comment on the plugins by the way. Ok, plugins have been developed for some time now using C but take a look at what’s out there, most of the development work is done for browsers with HTML5, PHP, etc.

I have pulled little genies out the bottle using HTML into web viewers for the WebDirect and I would be a very strong advocate if FMI provides a better alternative to add your custom code this way going forward rather than using Plugins the current way. This is a useful argument and I appreciate all the issues, so we may see if there are alternatives not previously discussed.

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There are many resources available for training, development, and support. Enabling Custom Web Publishing in a database You must enable a Custom Web Publishing extended privilege in each database you want to publish. If you don t enable a Custom Web Publishing extended privilege in the database, web users won t be able to use Custom Web Publishing to access the database even if it is hosted by FileMaker Server that is configured to support a Web Publishing Engine. To enable Custom Web Publishing for a database: 1.

In FileMaker Pro, open the database you want to publish using an account that has the Full Access privilege set. Alternatively, you can open the database using an account that has the Manage Extended Privileges access privileges. Assign the privilege set s that include the Custom Web Publishing extended privilege to one or more accounts, or to the Admin or Guest account.

For more secure account names and passwords, include punctuation characters such as! For information on setting up accounts, see FileMaker Pro Help. Accessing a protected database Custom Web Publishing enables you to restrict access to your published databases through database password protection, database encryption, and secure connections. When using a Custom Web Publishing solution to access a database, web users may be prompted for their account information.

If the Guest account for the database is disabled or does not have a privilege set enabled that includes a Custom Web Publishing extended privilege, the Web Publishing Engine uses HTTP Basic Authentication to request authentication from web users.

The web user s browser displays the HTTP Basic Authentication dialog box for the user to enter a user name and password for an account that has a Custom Web Publishing extended privilege. The account must have a Custom Web Publishing extended privilege enabled. If the Custom Web Publishing extended privilege is assigned to the Guest account: 1 Web users are not prompted for an account name and password when opening a file.

You can let users change their login accounts from a web browser with the Re- Login script step for example, to switch from the Guest account to an account with more privileges. You can change the default privileges, including Extended Privileges, for this account.

See FileMaker Pro Help. Note By default, web users cannot modify their account password from a web browser. You can build this feature into a database with the Change Password script step, which allows web users to change their passwords from their browser. Protecting your published databases When using Custom Web Publishing, you can limit who can access your published databases.

For example, you can specify that only web users from the IP address can access your databases. For information on restricting IP addresses, see the documentation for your web server. Encryption protects the FileMaker database file and any temporary files written to disk. As the FileMaker Server administrator, you open the file with its database encryption password, so that FileMaker clients can use the encrypted database. For more information about opening an encrypted database, see FileMaker Server Help.

The FileMaker default certificate is intended only for test purposes. A custom SSL certificate is required for production use. For more information, see the documentation for your web server. About publishing the contents of container fields on the web The contents of a container field can be embedded in the database, linked by reference using a relative path, or stored externally.

Container field objects embedded in a database If a container field stores the actual files in the FileMaker database, then you don t need to do anything with the container field contents if the database file is properly hosted and accessible on FileMaker Server. Container fields with stored file references If a container field stores a file reference, then you must follow these steps to publish the referenced files using the Web Publishing Engine: To publish container field objects that are stored as a file reference: 1.

Store the container object files in the Web folder inside the FileMaker Pro folder. Copy or move the referenced object files in the Web folder to the same relative path location in the root folder of the web server software. Container fields with externally stored data If a container field stores objects externally that is, if you selected Store container data externally in the FileMaker Pro Options for Field dialog box use FileMaker Pro to transfer database files from the client file system to FileMaker Server.

When you use FileMaker Pro to upload a database, the externally stored container field data is uploaded to FileMaker Server as part of the process. When you manually upload a database that uses a container field with externally stored objects, then you must follow these steps to publish the externally stored container objects using the Web Publishing Engine.

To upload a database manually: 1. Place the database file in the proper location on the server. For example, if your database is named Customers, then create a folder named Customers. Place the externally stored objects in the new folder you created. Note When databases are hosted on FileMaker Server, there is no way for multiple databases to share a common folder of container objects.

The container objects for each database needs to be in a folder identified by that database s name. For files that will be shared from OS X, change the files to belong to the fmsadmin group.

For more information about manually uploading databases, see FileMaker Pro Help. Container fields and progressive download The Web Publishing Engine supports progressive download of audio files. For example, a web user may start viewing a movie even if the entire movie file has not yet downloaded. To allow for progressive download, you may need to create the files using options that support streaming or that optimize for display on the web.

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